Any difference?

[Bernie Sanders]

[saxitoxin]

Sue Ann, on the left, is an average supporter of the so-called "State" of Israel. Hafizah over there on the right probably isn't.

One of them probably got pregs after doing jello shots with some anonymous hook-up at a beach house on South Padre one summer in 2010. Hard to tell which one that is based just on the pics, though. Could be either Sue Ann or Hafizah. They both kinda have that party girl look.

[mrswdk]

The one on the right knows how to use her weapon properly.

[jimboston]

One is hot?

[saxitoxin]

One is hot?

Hafiza could be hot, too, it's hard to tell with the hijab. It's like Aunt Jemima - no one looked at her twice until they took that rag off her head. Now I'm always getting a Breakfast Boner.

[mrswdk]

One is hot?

Hafiza could be hot, too, it's hard to tell with the hijab. It's like Aunt Jemima - no one looked at her twice until they took that rag off her head. Now I'm always getting a Breakfast Boner.

The burka is actually a great gender equalizer. Who needs to be hot when their face is covered by a big grill and their body by a nice, flowing robe? Islamic dress frees women from societal pressure to wear make up, be 'beach body ready', and generally starve and suffer just to please a man. It allows women to live a life without being viewed as a sex object.

Hurray for Islamic egalitarianism, down with global patriarchy and its commodification of women's bodies!

[mrswdk]

So then I guess the other difference is that the girl on the left is treated as random f*ck meat for all her football player acquaintances to blow their load into while she's passed out drunk on a front lawn somewhere, whereas the one on the right is treated as a respected comrade by her male peers.

[Bernie Sanders]

One is hot?

Hafiza could be hot, too, it's hard to tell with the hijab. It's like Aunt Jemima - no one looked at her twice until they took that rag off her head. Now I'm always getting a Breakfast Boner.

The burka is actually a great gender equalizer. Who needs to be hot when their face is covered by a big grill and their body by a nice, flowing robe? Islamic dress frees women from societal pressure to wear make up, be 'beach body ready', and generally starve and suffer just to please a man. It allows women to live a life without being viewed as a sex object.

Hurray for Islamic egalitarianism, down with global patriarchy and its commodification of women's bodies!

Is asexuality your issue? Seek professional help, unless you don't mind.

[Bernie Sanders]

So then I guess the other difference is that the girl on the left is treated as random f*ck meat for all her football player acquaintances to blow their load into while she's passed out drunk on a front lawn somewhere, whereas the one on the right is treated as a respected comrade by her male peers.

Hate to say this, but I agree with that statement.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

So then I guess the other difference is that the girl on the left is treated as random f*ck meat for all her football player acquaintances to blow their load into while she's passed out drunk on a front lawn somewhere, whereas the one on the right is treated as a respected comrade by her male peers.

Hate to say this, but I agree with that statement.

Oh, i guess i get it now. Removing any hint of a woman's femininity means she'll finally be treated as an equal! Because as a man I'm completely incapable of treating a woman as more than a repository for my ejaculate. So i guess all those backwards fucks who slice off their daughter's and sister's genitalia are just looking to make them peers.

Man, it feels good to finally see the logic there.

-TG

[mrswdk]

I don't remember saying anything condoning female circumcision. Projecting?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

It's a logical conclusion, a necessary corollary. By suppressing what makes a female a woman so that she can be "treated as a respected peer," you therefore invalidate femininity. The fgm example uses the same rhetoric, it just exemplifies the absurdity of forcing a woman to wear a bedsheet to be taken seriously by highlighting the extreme of that decision.

And I'm not sure that wearing a hijab or whatever large amounts of cloth makes them respected. I'll admit these are hearsay, but I've heard from guys who were over in Afghanistan and such that a lot of men treat women as little more than birth factories, and boy play is pretty prevelant.

-TG

[mrswdk]

Plenty of women choose to wear those, ya know. I've heard women talking about how obscene it is to see girls walking around with all their skin out. Every day on my way to and from the subway I see women in hijabs walking their kids to school, in a country where they're under no obligation whatsoever to do so. Some women like it that way.

By suppressing what makes a female a woman so that she can be "treated as a respected peer," you therefore invalidate femininity.

Maybe some people don't consider looking sexy for TA1LGUNN3R and his friends to be a central element of their female identity.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Choice vs mandate. If a woman can choose to completely cover herself, that's fine, I don't really give a shit. That doesn't negate my argument.

And there's nothing obscene about skin.

-TG

[mrswdk]

Choice vs mandate. If a woman can choose to completely cover herself, that's fine, I don't really give a shit. That doesn't negate my argument.

Given that your whole argument (as much as there can be said to have been one in the first place) rested on the assumption that women who wear hijabs, niqabs or burkas do so because they are compelled to, I think you'll find that the fact plenty wear them out of choice negates your argument entirely.

The burka is not a tool of male oppression, it is a vehicle for female liberation. Put on a burka and you'll never be able to spend 10 hours walking around downtown NYC with rapists whistling and shouting 'ay mami' at you, intimidating you at every street corner. You're free to reclaim your identity as a person, rather than as a sex object.

[mrswdk]

It's a shame that some societies these days are so aggressively sexual in the way they treat women that the only way to avoid being treated as mere life support for your genitals is to cover yourself from head to foot, but there you go. I guess we have the 60s and its bra-burning succubi to thank for that.

[muy_thaiguy]

Wasn't the burka more of a tribal thing than a strictly Islamic thing?

Don't get me wrong, I don't care whether a woman wears one or not, it's just I've heard it's tribal over Islamic (though those tribes do happen to come from primarily Arabic origins).

[tzor]

The one on the right has a grenade.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Choice vs mandate. If a woman can choose to completely cover herself, that's fine, I don't really give a shit. That doesn't negate my argument.

Given that your whole argument (as much as there can be said to have been one in the first place) rested on the assumption that women who wear hijabs, niqabs or burkas do so because they are compelled to, I think you'll find that the fact plenty wear them out of choice negates your argument entirely.

The burka is not a tool of male oppression, it is a vehicle for female liberation. Put on a burka and you'll never be able to spend 10 hours walking around downtown NYC with rapists whistling and shouting 'ay mami' at you, intimidating you at every street corner. You're free to reclaim your identity as a person, rather than as a sex object.

Hm don't wear bed sheet or risk alienation from family and culture? Some decision.

Your original premise was that the white woman wearing the (pretty modest) tank top would be seen as objectified, or that the only way a man would be able to take her seriously was if the offending indications of her womanhood were removed from male sight. I often walk past women wearing similar garb, and amazingly I'm able to resist telling those bitches to go make me a sandwich. It's out there, I know.

-TG

[Dukasaur]

The one on the right looks a bit like Amy Farrah Fowler

[mrswdk]

Choice vs mandate. If a woman can choose to completely cover herself, that's fine, I don't really give a shit. That doesn't negate my argument.

Given that your whole argument (as much as there can be said to have been one in the first place) rested on the assumption that women who wear hijabs, niqabs or burkas do so because they are compelled to, I think you'll find that the fact plenty wear them out of choice negates your argument entirely.

The burka is not a tool of male oppression, it is a vehicle for female liberation. Put on a burka and you'll never be able to spend 10 hours walking around downtown NYC with rapists whistling and shouting 'ay mami' at you, intimidating you at every street corner. You're free to reclaim your identity as a person, rather than as a sex object.

Hm don't wear bed sheet or risk alienation from family and culture? Some decision.

Yeah yeah. It's part of their culture, therefore we can deduce they are all forced to wear one by their culture but all secretly hate it. Good job those females have a nice buff man like you to stand up and speak for them.

Your original premise was that the white woman wearing the (pretty modest) tank top would be seen as objectified, or that the only way a man would be able to take her seriously was if the offending indications of her womanhood were removed from male sight. I often walk past women wearing similar garb, and amazingly I'm able to resist telling those bitches to go make me a sandwich. It's out there, I know.

My original point was that a burka is a good leveler because it eliminates treatment of women as if they are objects of sex, but thanks for once again putting words in my mouth.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Good job those females have a nice buff man like you to stand up and speak for them.

I do what I can.

My original point was that a burka is a good leveler because it eliminates treatment of women as if they are objects of sex, but thanks for once again putting words in my mouth.

Except that it doesn't. It actually reinforces a woman as an object of sex. Do men wear those kinds of dress? No. Only women wear them, and not even girls. Only women into the age of child-bearing wear them, and it tells anyone looking at them that they're a women of such, and therefore should not be looked at. It's defining something by its shadow rather than its outline.

-TG

[mrswdk]

My original point was that a burka is a good leveler because it eliminates treatment of women as if they are objects of sex, but thanks for once again putting words in my mouth.

Except that it doesn't. It actually reinforces a woman as an object of sex.

Whatever turns you on.

Do men wear those kinds of dress?

To be fair, Arab and Afghan guys wear outfits that are basically the same except you can see their face.

No. Only women wear them, and not even girls.

Maybe. Even little girls about 6/7 years old wear niqabs to school round my way though.

Only women into the age of child-bearing wear them, and it tells anyone looking at them that they're a women of such, and therefore should not be looked at. It's defining something by its shadow rather than its outline.

-TG

Still better than getting lip smacks and wolf whistles.

[KoolBak]

They BOTH have their fingers on the trigger, so I assume that neither one knows how to safely operate a weapon.

Basic rules....having taught 20+ unexperienced individuals to shoot safely, that is a cardinal sin. Googled and found lists everywhere....most have these as the top 2:

The fundamental rules for safe gun handling are:

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.

One on the left attracts me; one on the right terrifies me....

[waauw]

The one on the left had the money for a decent camera, the one on the right didn't.