if there was a draft...

nmhunate · Post by **nmhunate** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:04 am

I think that God invented Canada for the very reason to avoid the draft.

Dmunster · Post by **Dmunster** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:40 am

Did my time (Army) during the Clinton years and saw no action. I have actually been considering re-enlisting. I dont think I could take the pay cut though.

Thats actually a good question. If I were drafted how do they compensate you? I would have to take at least a 20-30k paycut. How would I pay my bills? Are creditors not allowed to come after you?

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:06 pm

If the draft was for Iraq?

I'd actually think about it you know... I don't believe in the war but I do believe we now have a responsibility to create a peaceful, stable and autonomous state. As the invasion has already happened, I'd find it harder to object on moral grounds. Before the war? Hell yeh...

b.k. barunt · Post by **b.k. barunt** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:39 pm

How can we create a peaceful, stable state over there as infidels? One thing that all the various warring factions of Islam agree on, is that we are the "Great Satan". Any muslim who supports what we do over there will be deemed a traitor. If any foreign country conquered America, how many of us would support a government that it installed? Sure there would be some ass kissers who would, but there would always be diehard patriots to kill the those traitors. Look how long it took the U.S. southern states to accept the occupation of the north - it wasn't until WWI that we even started celebrating the 4th of July again down here. The longer we stay over there, the more people will die, and we won't have a damn thing to show for it. "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:44 pm

b.k. barunt wrote: The longer we stay over there, the more people will die, and we won't have a damn thing to show for it.

Except the large war debt.

And I wonder who credited the cash for this war?

n8freeman · Post by **n8freeman** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:49 pm

if the draft was for iraq, not a chance

but if it was a draft for some other war, similar to WWII or the revolutionary war(im american)

IMO those wars had points, gaining freedom, and helping others gain freedom, and defending allies

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:25 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:29 pm

nmhunate wrote:I think that God invented Canada for the very reason to avoid the draft.

you've got a long way to go.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:30 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:How can we create a peaceful, stable state over there as infidels? One thing that all the various warring factions of Islam agree on, is that we are the "Great Satan". Any muslim who supports what we do over there will be deemed a traitor. If any foreign country conquered America, how many of us would support a government that it installed? Sure there would be some ass kissers who would, but there would always be diehard patriots to kill the those traitors. Look how long it took the U.S. southern states to accept the occupation of the north - it wasn't until WWI that we even started celebrating the 4th of July again down here. The longer we stay over there, the more people will die, and we won't have a damn thing to show for it. "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".

As usual, you have a very polarised image if the situation. We help to create a state in which free and fair elections can produce a government which is representative of the people and able to stop the country spiralling into civil war and then we leave.

Saudi Arabia is a deeply orthodox and religious country, tolerant to fundemental Islam and commited to the promotion of Islamic states, yet they deal with and maintain a good relationship with the west. There have been hundreds of oppertunities for Saudi to 'attack' the west, especially in regards to economic dependance, but they continue as a fundementally Islamic country without your whole 'Great Satan' ideology. Pakistan is another example. The British created Pakistan, rightly or wrongly, upon our exit from India. The proto-Pakistani MUslims (generally) didn't fight the British, they fought the Hindus. They co-operated diplomatically, politically and economically in the setting up of an autonomous state.

Have you ever spoken to a Muslim person? To an Iraqi, even?

I have. To several. They were grateful that Saddam was ousted, yet incensed at the way in which America believed it had the right to 'police' the world and wanted the Americans out of Iraq, yet they accepted that the best route to stable independance was co-operation.

b.k. barunt · Post by **b.k. barunt** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:01 pm

Actually i have spoken to quite a few, and i have studied the Koran - not just read. I don't know if any were Iraqis, but being the polarized individual that i am, i don't take the trouble to make distinctions there. They are all a part of a violent, oppressive religion, and while they may kowtow to the U.S. and Britain, they don't like us at all, and will cooperate with us only so long as it suits their purpose.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:17 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:Actually i have spoken to quite a few, and i have studied the Koran - not just read. I don't know if any were Iraqis, but being the polarized individual that i am, i don't take the trouble to make distinctions there. They are all a part of a violent, oppressive religion, and while they may kowtow to the U.S. and Britain, they don't like us at all, and will cooperate with us only so long as it suits their purpose.

If they will co-operate with us as long as it suits their purpose that is 100% fine by me. I don't believe we deserve any political or economic influence over Iraq in the future, but we do owe them a stable and governable country. If they co-operate to achieve that then hate our guts thats fine by me. Its more than we deserve.

I would ask, however, what your impression of the vast majority of British Muslims is... Are my Muslim neighbours and compatriots secretly hating me? Plotting my demise? Are they acting as a whole? What I see is a violent extremist fringe of what is, in this country at least, a moderate and peaceful religion. I could study and pick out countless scriptures promoting the same level of violence in the Bible too, yet I would be accused of taking them out of context.

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:32 pm

Guiscard wrote:I could study and pick out countless scriptures promoting the same level of violence in the Bible too, yet I would be accused of taking them out of context.

ooh do tell

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:34 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:Betcha didn't know that marines have almost a 40% higher casualty rate than the army. If you want to be able to go back to your merry ways when your tour is ended, join the air force or the navy.

i dont care if i die, but if i do i want ot die the best as a Marine. i dont want to hide in my air force bunker relaying messages every where

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:38 pm

magneticgoop wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:Betcha didn't know that marines have almost a 40% higher casualty rate than the army. If you want to be able to go back to your merry ways when your tour is ended, join the air force or the navy.
i dont care if i die, but if i do i want ot die the best as a Marine. i dont want to hide in my air force bunker relaying messages every where

oh good...go run off and die then, and leave that bunker to those of us who value our lives...

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:46 pm

I have too many psychological disorders... I couldn't even enlist.. I may be at the bottom of the barrel if they try to enlist, so I'll just get married or something...

They don't draft Married people, students, or those with kids...

Well, I'm one of those, so I'm all good.

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:51 pm

s.xkitten wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:Betcha didn't know that marines have almost a 40% higher casualty rate than the army. If you want to be able to go back to your merry ways when your tour is ended, join the air force or the navy.
i dont care if i die, but if i do i want ot die the best as a Marine. i dont want to hide in my air force bunker relaying messages every where
oh good...go run off and die then, and leave that bunker to those of us who value our lives...

someone has to do it if your too scared, stay home and cry to momma

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:54 pm

magneticgoop wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:
magneticgoop wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:Betcha didn't know that marines have almost a 40% higher casualty rate than the army. If you want to be able to go back to your merry ways when your tour is ended, join the air force or the navy.
i dont care if i die, but if i do i want ot die the best as a Marine. i dont want to hide in my air force bunker relaying messages every where
oh good...go run off and die then, and leave that bunker to those of us who value our lives...
someone has to do it if your too scared, stay home and cry to momma

momma is a marine...crying to her is not suggested...

magneticgoop · Post by **magneticgoop** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:58 pm

s.xkitten wrote:
momma is a marine...crying to her is not suggested...

well then you will always live knowing you would rater hide out 500 miles from battle then do what your mom does because she is more man than you (no offense to momma)

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:00 pm

magneticgoop wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:
momma is a marine...crying to her is not suggested...
well then you will always live knowing you would rater hide out 500 miles from battle then do what your mom does because she is more man than you (no offense to momma)

pretty much...i like my life inside my body thanks...

b.k. barunt · Post by **b.k. barunt** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:11 pm

A marine for a momma? No wonder you're pissed.

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:12 pm

momma, dad, grandfather, uncle, cousin (almost never see him anymore though) great grandfather, three great uncles, and an aunt...

raith · Post by **raith** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:27 pm

s.xkitten wrote:momma, dad, grandfather, uncle, cousin (almost never see him anymore though) great grandfather, three great uncles, and an aunt...

family get togethers must be interesting.

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:29 pm

raith wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:momma, dad, grandfather, uncle, cousin (almost never see him anymore though) great grandfather, three great uncles, and an aunt...
family get togethers must be interesting.

oh yes...those are intense...there are guns everywhere and comparisons, and we have all sorts of contests and shit...ugh...its horrible really...

b.k. barunt · Post by **b.k. barunt** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:27 pm

You did say we though. What kind of gun do you have?

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:40 pm

i was referring to the contests...

as it is illegal for me to own the kind of gun my father wants me to have (you have to be at least 18...or is it 21...) it wouldn't matter anyway...but i don't like guns all that much, so i won't be owning one to begin with...well...at least of that kind...

if there was a draft...

would you accept being drafted?