Why call the World Trade Center Mosque "Cordoba House"?

[GabonX]

In addition to the location of the WTC Mosque, the name itself "Cordoba House" is highly incendiary.

Cordoba is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first mosque at the start of their conquest of Spain to symbolize dominance. The famous "Great Mosque of Cordoba" was built over a Visigoth Church and it's no coincidence that the WTC Mosque is called "Cordoba House."

There's a kind of double speak ass-hattery going on here. In English the Imam behind Cordoba House is trumpeting lines of cultural exchange and tolerance, but in Arabic he's saying some very different things.

This, on websites that argue why Muslims should not sell property to Christians who want to build a church nonetheless.

[Baron Von PWN]

In addition to the location of the WTC Mosque, the name itself "Cordoba House" is highly incendiary.

Cordoba is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first mosque at the start of their conquest of Spain to symbolize dominance. The famous "Great Mosque of Cordoba" was built over a Visigoth Church and it's no coincidence that the WTC Mosque is called "Cordoba House."

There's a kind of double speak ass-hattery going on here. In English the Imam behind Cordoba House is trumpeting lines of cultural exchange and tolerance, but in Arabic he's saying some very different things.

This, on websites that argue why Muslims should not sell property to Christians who want to build a church nonetheless.

Those quotes seem to be bereft of context. In the first one he seems to be saying the term "religious dialogue" doesen't imply the same amount of intermingling he would like to see. IE rather than big functions between church big wigs, he would rather see intermingling of the faithful.

In the second quote it isn't really clear if he is advocating it or not, nor is it clear which states he's talking about.

Finaly, picking at the name seems like grasping at straws.

[GabonX]

Do you really think that naming the WTC mosque after the Great Mosque of Cordoba, which was built to symbolize the Islamization of Spain, is a coincidence? This goes beyond stupid and enters the realm of willful ignorance...

Muslims are familiar with the history of Cordoba, and both the name and location of "Cordoba House" (the WTC Mosque) have been chosen to symbolize the expansion and supremacy of Islam over other cultures. This type of thing has been standard practice for the last 1300 years, and things are any different today.

As for this Imam, it's quite clear that he wants mainstream society to be openly accepting of Islam, but that he sees no need for Muslims to return that consideration. If he had a modicum of human decency he would have sought to put his mosque anywhere else than where it is because of how it could have been seen. Instead he preaches a message about tolerance to mainstream America while making no effort to return any kind of cultural sensitivity. He goes as far as to name his mosque after the symbol of the the Muslim conquest of Spain. It's not an accident.

Both the name and location of this mosque are insulting and deliberate. I take solace in the fact that when the World Trade Centers are rebuilt, that they will tower over this hateful and offensive little mosque.

[Night Strike]

Great analysis GabonX.

[Baron Von PWN]

Do you really think that naming the WTC mosque after the Great Mosque of Cordoba, which was built to symbolize the Islamization of Spain, is a coincidence? This goes beyond stupid and enters the realm of willful ignorance...

Muslims are familiar with the history of Cordoba, and both the name and location of "Cordoba House" (the WTC Mosque) have been chosen to symbolize the expansion and supremacy of Islam over other cultures. This type of thing has been standard practice for the last 1300 years, and things are any different today.

As for this Imam, it's quite clear that he wants mainstream society to be openly accepting of Islam, but that he sees no need for Muslims to return that consideration. If he had a modicum of human decency he would have sought to put his mosque anywhere else than where it is because of how it could have been seen. Instead he preaches a message about tolerance to mainstream America while making no effort to return any kind of cultural sensitivity. He goes as far as to name his mosque after the symbol of the the Muslim conquest of Spain. It's not an accident.

Both the name and location of this mosque are insulting and deliberate. I take solace in the fact that when the World Trade Centers are rebuilt, that they will tower over this hateful and offensive little mosque.

Or maybe they named it after cordoba for the its ancient example of a tolerant society. The Spanish caliphs were actually quite tolerant allowing jews and christians to live and worship freely in Cordoba. More than could be said for the medieval Christians.

Interestingly a majority of people in Manhattan support the project, maybe there's more to this than a simple mosque? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_House oh look it sounds like quite a nice little community center something I wouldn't mind having in my neighborhood.

Regardless the USA is a free society stopping this development would be a step against that.

[Empress Wu]

Muslims are familiar with the history of Cordoba, and both the name and location of "Cordoba House" (the WTC Mosque) have been chosen to symbolize the expansion and supremacy of Islam over other cultures.

This is your interpretation. You could apply the same analysis to other combinations of religions and city-names and reach similar conclusions. E.g., is any reference to the city of Rome necessarily a vindication of the supremacy and expansion of Christianity at the expense of the pre-Christian (Roman) civilisation?

There are a number of favourable things that could be said about Muslim Spain. In those centuries, Spain was a flourishing place, while the rest of Europe was backwards and primitive. (There's a reason why we call it the 'dark ages'). Some of the works of ancient Greek philosophers were preserved and translated in Muslim Spain, while they were discarded as dangerous heathen ideology in most other parts of Europe. Jews fled from Spain only when the Christian conquerors arrived in the later middle ages. I think these are the merits that the people behind Cordoba House had in mind when they named it.

[Empress Wu]

Fast-posted by the Baron...

[InkL0sed]

Great analysis GabonX.

Great analysis Night Strike.

[Army of GOD]

Great analysis GabonX.

Great analysis Night Strike.

Great analysis InklOsed.

[PLAYER57832]

I believe Obama said it best:
"we are, above all, a nation that allows everyone to practice their own religion, including Moslems"
and "so long as they follow local laws and all applicable statutes, there is no reason they should not be allowed to built this community center on private property".

Also, this is NOT on the World Trade Center! It is near. But, to claim that these people are associated with Al Quaeda is as obnoxious as claiming that we Christians are associated with the KKK or that every white person is tied in with Aryan Nation.

[Timminz]

Great analysis Player.

[b.k. barunt]

Great analysis Timminz.


Honibaz

[Frigidus]

Great analysis b.k.

[tzor]

Great mutual mastribation and overall technical nit picking. But it doesn't bring back my dead neighbor.

Nor does it bring back the Orthodox church that collapsed then the towers fell on it.
Nor does it bring back that priceless relic of St. Nicholas that was in that church.

Why aren't you all equally upset about a decision not to have a Mosque on Staten Island? Now I can see the outrage there. But no one is. Why?

[InkL0sed]

Great mutual mastribation and overall technical nit picking. But it doesn't bring back my dead neighbor.

Nor does it bring back the Orthodox church that collapsed then the towers fell on it.
Nor does it bring back that priceless relic of St. Nicholas that was in that church.

Why aren't you all equally upset about a decision not to have a Mosque on Staten Island? Now I can see the outrage there. But no one is. Why?

I don't know anything about it?

Plus, my position is "I don't give a f*ck". I don't know why this story is in the media, so why should that one have been? This whole discussion is stupid.

PS. It's spelled "masturbation"

[InkL0sed]

Great mutual mastribation and overall technical nit picking. But it doesn't bring back my dead neighbor.

Nor does it bring back the Orthodox church that collapsed then the towers fell on it.
Nor does it bring back that priceless relic of St. Nicholas that was in that church.

Why aren't you all equally upset about a decision not to have a Mosque on Staten Island? Now I can see the outrage there. But no one is. Why?

I don't know anything about it?

Plus, my position is "I don't give a f*ck". I don't know why this story is in the media, so why should that one have been? This whole discussion is stupid.

PS. It's spelled "masturbation"

Great analysis, InkL0sed.

[tzor]

PS. It's spelled "masturbation"

Yes, but it would be wrong to spell it right in this thread.

[whitestazn88]

PS. It's spelled "masturbation"

Yes, but it would be wrong to spell it right in this thread.

Great analysis, tzor.

[Phatscotty]

In addition to the location of the WTC Mosque, the name itself "Cordoba House" is highly incendiary.

Cordoba is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first mosque at the start of their conquest of Spain to symbolize dominance. The famous "Great Mosque of Cordoba" was built over a Visigoth Church and it's no coincidence that the WTC Mosque is called "Cordoba House."

There's a kind of double speak ass-hattery going on here. In English the Imam behind Cordoba House is trumpeting lines of cultural exchange and tolerance, but in Arabic he's saying some very different things.

This, on websites that argue why Muslims should not sell property to Christians who want to build a church nonetheless.

oh, history...what a concept

[InkL0sed]

In addition to the location of the WTC Mosque, the name itself "Cordoba House" is highly incendiary.

Cordoba is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first mosque at the start of their conquest of Spain to symbolize dominance. The famous "Great Mosque of Cordoba" was built over a Visigoth Church and it's no coincidence that the WTC Mosque is called "Cordoba House."

There's a kind of double speak ass-hattery going on here. In English the Imam behind Cordoba House is trumpeting lines of cultural exchange and tolerance, but in Arabic he's saying some very different things.

This, on websites that argue why Muslims should not sell property to Christians who want to build a church nonetheless.

oh, history...what a concept

Great analysis, history.

[Woodruff]

Why aren't you all equally upset about a decision not to have a Mosque on Staten Island? Now I can see the outrage there. But no one is. Why?

This is the first I've heard of it, for one...

[Phatscotty]

Great analysis GabonX.

totally

[Georgerx7di]

To be honest I rather enjoyed reading this thread. Nice arguments showing actual knowledge of history. Thanks to anyone who posted something intelligent here, and thanks to the spammers as they make everything more palatable (did I spell that right).

[Timminz]

Great analysis George.

[Army of GOD]

Well, Gabon and others, I assure you that the Muslims will not take over the United States. You know how I know? Because people like you exist.